Posts by chicken little

2

dubs and the medical profession

by freydi in

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=dcj82utsjvg&nr=1 .

.

didn't know exactly how to title this so thought we might just start with the idea of why so many dubs take pills for emotional reasons.

chicken little

If you know that your future happiness relies on 6billion people dying first, it is a little bit difficult to remain joyful and happy. One represses the knowledge and tries to just get on with being a good christian. The negative feelings emerge in dreams and times of stress. Rather than deal with the source many feel that they are depressed without real reason and so begin to take medicine. Quite a lot of jws spend a fortune on alternative medicine first. They try to cheer each other up by saying that the depression is a sign of coping with the last days and it proves we are near the end.

In my congregation we had many sisters suffering with depression and on medication, the brothers who were ill were avoided. I suffered for years myself before I dealt with the real causes. Many who become jws are from abusive backgrounds or emotionally damaged in some way, they are almost programmed to become ill at some point.

9

Why does the Watchtower feel it needs to justify...

by B_Deserter in

...it's blood stance with medical reasons.

they've put out countless articles and brochures on the subject based purely from a medical standpoint.

i just scratch my head at this.

chicken little

The idea is also to get jws to abhor blood, which is rather strange as blood is sacred in Gods view. I have seen witnesses go white in the face just looking at blood sausage, blood bags in hospitals etc. The degree of morbid fear of blood is really quite exceptional. The next thing close to it is fear of demons.

24

Do the Governing body know they are being dishonest?

by strawberry cake in

i wonder if anyone has any ideas on this.

who, what is behind the wts.

is it just men genuinely making mistakes but are sincerely trying to serve god?

chicken little

To make it to the top as in being a member of the governing body, means one has put in a hell of a lot of work for the org. These men have been society men for so long that they must eat, sleep and dream the stuff the whole time. I really believe that they think that they are Gods channel and that they are the ones being used. But I bet you anything that their wives must just have a few little doubts of their own if they have to live with these guys. I was once on a train coming back from a convention with one of the top dogs at the time, he was going on about how long the audience had clapped after his talk and wasnt it wonderful.....Yes dear, sighed his wife and turned to me to ask who I was and what I was doing....she showed interest ....he was on his own cloud 9. Being sincere about something doesnt make it right....hang on a sec didnt WE used to say that in the ministry? love chicken little

25

Anybody out there an Agnostic mentally but a Believer at Heart? (like me)

by Meeting Junkie No More in

first off, i no longer believe the bible to be the inspired word of god.

but with my heart i want to believe.

i love the idea of an all-powerful deity that cares for me and the rest of humanity.

chicken little

I want to believe but I feel that I am in a state of suspended belief. I cant prayer...dont want to? Maybe, yet I miss it. My feelings are so messed up with regards to my spirituality that I feel like I am in a sea and treading water waiting for a miracle to happen. Deep down I know that the solution lies with me, I need to sort out my feelings and insecurities rather than grasping at the faith raft. In response to your views on church buildings and their beauty I must say that throughout my life I have been amazed and humbled at times at the deep need in humans to show reverance to a deity by producing such fantastic buildings. I would often see beautiful churches in out of the way villages, built by poor people with a deep reverance for God. At times the building of a cathederal as in Barcalona, which is still not complete after 300 years is something to ponder over..........imagine a project that you know cannot be completed in your lifetime and yet still undertook with the thought that others would carry on the work. We lack that vision today. I have never looked down on these buildings no matter how oppulant or over the top some may seem......you give your best to God isnt that what we are told to do? These people did, even out of their poverty. The results last for 100s of years and stands as a witness to their faith and trust in God. Whatever one thinks of the teachings within the church the desire to look beyond themselves and touch God in some way shines through.

64

Kids Still Get Whacked @ Armageddon. Current Light. (With Pix!)

by Open mind in

if you've clicked around on other sites, you can find the troubling picture i grew up with from the old orange paradise lost book.

a big old armageddon earthquake that is swallowing up people, churches, a bicycle, a dog!

) and of course, a little girl in a dress that is indelibly planted in my memory chips.

chicken little

These pictures are nothing compared to the ones in the latest childrens study book. The pictures of the great tribulation are so awful and they are meant to be studied with very young children. There is also one very spooky rag doll in a few of the illustrations, I decided that there was no way I was going to study that book with my little boy. Do any of you still have it? I chucked mine out. It is greenish cover with Jesus sitting with children around him. It covers everything from lying,stealing,child abuse but I hated it. Also one very funny looking sheep on one of the pages....maybe you nords can find these pictures I am talking about.

26

Reinstated 5 yrs ago

by Treebe in

i am just trying to understand what my choices are.

i have been reinstated for just over 5 yrs and still have not had my privileges back.

i am a single mom and have been to all the meeting that we can, doing our best outside of kids colds and flu's, not to mention car trouble, but i have always turned in my time each month and study reports, but still i can not answer.

chicken little

Dear Treebie,

My husband was an elder over 20 years and a good one in the sense of really caring for people. He hated judical hearings and was never one of the eager ones to jump at the chance to act as judge. One unmarried sister with 2 small children was reproved in the cong. and later needed help as she was pregnant and had complications. My husband and I did all we could to look after her two boys while she was in hospital and encourage her not to take the unkind comments (she brought it on herself) to heart. I remember even years after sisters talking about her as the one who got pregnant not long after she was baptized. I even asked one sister why she spoke of anothers past problems when Jehovah had forgiven the sister, was it loving to do that. My advice is if you really want to stay with the organization then write a letter to the body of elders. Explain that you are doing all you can to stay in the truth and that you need support and encourgement. Ask them to check in their elders manual to see how a case such as yours should be dealt with and stress the point that you are deeply sad and depressed over the situation, quote a scripture.....james 5.13,14 might help jog them. Give them a copy and send a copy to the branch office.

When you first come on this site you may feel you have done something wrong and feel you should not log on here again, I felt like that too.

But remember behind some of the tough words you may come across, you will find people that like you have had a terrible battle to be accepted or approved by a very small group of people, they have then decieded that they no longer want to be part of that group. This forum gives the chance for people to say how they feel.

Thinking of you with a hug too

chicken little

29

Universal Issue of Sovereignty Does NOT Exist....Proof......

by oompa in

we are taught that the $hit mankind has endured for thousands of years is because satan said something that could be construed to be bad about god, and so god said...."let's let mankind see if they are better off following satan and leading themselves, or following me.

" now thousands of years later, this universal issue is still not settled...after all...the angles and demons are waiting with baited breath for the end result.. do you think that just because you were taught since youth that this "universal sovereignty issue" is real, it is?

i have some real good biblical reasons this is not even an issue.............................................oompa.

chicken little

hello oompa dumpa

I used to wonder why the issue had to drag out on earth when it all started in heaven and the issúe was there. I couldnt understand why Satan gets to live all these thousands of years and yet we poor mortal souls get the zap after a miserly 70-80 years. Life is life even if he ends up in abyss he is still not dead. Actually even Adam mr trouble got to live over 900 years and look at the muwumba he dropped us .

byeeeeeeeeeeeee chicken little

15

How's this for twisted thinking

by freedomfighter in

many of us have most likely had to listen to a talk that has a statement like this - .

" imagine when you are in the new system in a beautiful place, you will be able to look back and think ' wow!

i had a good share in the preaching work and was part of fulfilling mat 24:14".

chicken little

My hubby while an elder actually said that many of us jws dont live life now, we waste it waiting for the better life. One or two in the audience what were awake looked horrified, but there were a couple that later agreed with him. He also said that jws were often too quick to have the anwser before they heard the question. Again looks, the final one was in dealing with the item on what future youths should plan.....ie pioneer etc. my hub said he had no idea when he was 16 what he wanted to do with his life and he guessed things hadnt changed that much. By then people were whispering to each other.

I believe to live life and not live it to the full is a sin.

17

Faithful and Discrete Slave

by Johnna in

if it is true that the slave class is here to lead the organization, and their numbers on earth are still in the thousands, why is it only just a handful at the headqtrs that send out the spiritual food?

i have known many "annointed" ones over my course of involvement and none of them were ever called on for their input, guidance, counsel, etc... much less to have a turn to lead the work in ny.

aren't they all supposed to be doing the guidance work on the earth?

chicken little

We had a member of the annointed in our congregation in the 80´s, she disliked black people and had very wierd views on many matters.

We were told that the fsd slave would be from all walks of life and all generations so they could feel with mankind and understand their problems when they come back in the paradise. Well the numbers chosen from the nearly 2000 years from christs death to now must be very small indeed if they are to be spaced out like that. The numbers taking the emblems since the 20´s has been very large so what about the rest of mankinds history.........say the middle ages. Also who will understand the people that come back from long gone civilizations that never came in contact with christianity? I used to ponder all of this, especially as I worked on service with annointed ones and my impression was of a very good brush salesman.

37

Something That Used To Puzzle Me

by snowbird in

when reading the apostle paul's chastisement of the corinthians about their drunken, gluttonous demeanor during the memorial, i used to wonder how in the world could anyone possibly overeat on just the unleavened bread?

and, i used to think that if anyone got drunk, it was because they drank too much wine on an empty stomach.

after a careful reading, i came to the conclusion that this was an actual meal served in someone's home!

chicken little

chicken little here........... I read and reread the corinthian letters when I was trying to find out what I really thought of disfellowshipping.

Annointed members of the congregation recieve counsel again and again for their unchristian conduct. I would ponder over the fact that these so called future rulers of the universe seemed so imperfect......yet we are supposed to be anything but. If a child of 14 makes a serious mistake and is not repentant, out he goes forever cut off unless he comes to his/her senses and returns to the congregation. Yet here we read of grown men and women that had love feasts that got out of hand, meals were gluttony and drinking were the norm. I find it hard to believe that it was just once a year as that would not constitute a pressing problem for Paul to write about.

How could the same standards apply for a person who has not recieved the holy spirit with all that that entails? I personally had a friend who had 2 sisters and a brother all of whom were disfellowshipped in their teens for what could be called rebellion. To this day they are not welcome in my friends home. When one sister became ill and called her mother while in hospital it was later retold that she was only trying to pull on the mothers heartstrings, there was nothing seriously wrong with her! I would hear these things and feel ill.

Isnt it enough to believe they will die at armaggedon, no they also have to be punished now and for the rest of this life. Yet the behaviour of the annointed in the letters to the congregation leaves so much to be desired that one wonders just what they really did believe. This is just within 30 years or so of Jesus death.

Well that is just my penny worth

Love and Hugs